Lets atmos build gas pipes in walls

[Plykiya]

About the PR

Changed it so that you can build gas pipe in impassable objects, such as walls

Why / Balance

long-requested feature by all the people I know that play atmos

It's kind of a nice QoL change being able to build pipes through walls or windows, you still need to build the vents or pumps outside of walls so you can't really cheese anything. It just lets you repair stuff, make additions, or build shuttles a lot easier.

If you need an IC explanation as to how its done, just pretend that you're just drilling a hole or cutting out a part of the wall temporarily or something, like how people do repairs to houses...

Technical details

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Changelog

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• tweak: You can now build atmos gas pipes through things like walls.

[EmoGarbage404]

nice QoL change

how does this constitute a qol change

[Plykiya]

nice QoL change

how does this constitute a qol change

I'm probably not using the term in the way you interpret it so uh, just call it a buff if you want
it's just more convenient

[SlamBamActionman]

Disposal pipes can be built inside walls; I honestly thought atmos pipes were the same!

[EmoGarbage404]

Disposal pipes can be built inside walls

this was fixed recently

[deltanedas]

frequently you have to take down walls or windows and remove the floor under it just to add a single pipe then fix it back up

if anything rcd should be able to do it since its le magic tool

[Plykiya]

frequently you have to take down walls or windows and remove the floor under it just to add a single pipe then fix it back up

if anything rcd should be able to do it since its le magic tool

RCD currently has a check for InRangeUnobstructed to prevent you from building the rest of the options on walls, but it also prevents you from layering things under doors IIRC...

[MACMAN2003]

nice QoL change

how does this constitute a qol change

this makes it so you don't have to deconstruct and then reconstruct a wall just to place a pipe in it

[mirrorcult]

this is Probably fine in the absence of pipe layering

[deepdarkdepths]

All this does is speed up setting up burn chambers by a lot which isn't an issue, it would be a welcome change due to pipe stacking being killed

[WarMechanic]

as long as its not disposal pipes under walls then its good

[GimmyPick]

Hope this one will be merged soon, i am tired of spending time on breaking current trit chambers in order to fil all 9 scrubbers

[snebl]

While not being able to place a disposal pipe in a wall without deconstructing it makes practical sense because passengers shouldn't be able to make death traps with just some steel and a wrench, and realistic sense because its a huge pipe...

I don't see any harm in saving atmos the minutes of time deconstructing and reconstructing layers of reinforced walls and glass just to burn trit at a reasonable rate or deal with low-pop map setups. Not even a "buff" since its not really an advantage over anything, it just saves time doing something tedious so i would argue it is QoL.

[Partmedia]

There is this technique for setting up radiators close to the station. In light of this, I wonder if this is still necessary?

[deltanedas]

thats not even a good use of radiators and is irrelevant to placing pipes under walls

[GimmyPick]

There is this technique for setting up radiators close to the station. In light of this, I wonder if this is still necessary?

how is this related bruv :insert_skull_emoji:

[Plykiya]

Apparently the blocker on this is "why should we have this when we just changed how disposal pipes work"

1. Disposal pipes were changed because it was a four steel solution for shitters and antags to get anywhere they wanted without any effort, gas pipes do not grant you access to anything
2. Gas pipes being changed to construct under things doesn't allow you to do anything more antagonistic because you still need to get physical access to the other side
3. This change allows atmos to do more of their job (repairing pipes, building new pipe systems) without opening up physical access to people who shouldn't be somewhere (theoretical example: building new pipe setup for chem so they have access to infinite X gas supply, doesn't require you to deconstruct chem walls to do it. chem setups are generally quite compact already)
4. The current atmos experience is pure suffering
5. Current building options require you to have open floor space. One of the biggest detriments to atmos construction plans is having to weave allll the way around walls and through doorways and praying that the one tile doorway is unoccupied by existing pipelines. The alternative is spending over a minute deconstructing and reconstructing walls just to build a single pipe which kind of kills the motivation to do anything involving a lot of pipes. Being able to just go through a wall instead of going around it does open up a lot of options and more importantly requires less steel...
6. When there's an explosion and windows or walls break you typically focus more on the "fix the walls/windows" aspect first, then wires (which you can place through walls, doesn't cause any problems), and then at the very end of it all they put down gas pipes. Most people just straight up don't redo the pipe system because it's too much of a pain in the ass to deconstruct the newly rebuilt walls to place down one pipe.
7. Also mentioned in that previous point I'd argue that being able to place wires into walls is the one nice thing that engis benefit from without needing to deconstruct the entire ass wall, and being able to build a gas pipe in a wall would be the atmos equivalent that they don't have yet but should have had considering it's basically their main thing they build

[GimmyPick]

Facts, it became easier to make maxcap than frezon as for me. Destroying walls with current axe's structural damage is just pure pain, inability to place pipes under walls just demotivate people to cook gases. Making gases is the most difficult mechanic in the game, yet it's not rewarding compared to how much time you spend building the most effective schemes. Also how the hell are disposal pipes involved in gas pipes, they have completely different mechanics and usage, you just can't compare them.

[GimmyPick]

i think wizdens forgor about this pr 💀

[Plykiya]

i think wizdens forgor about this pr 💀

they haven't

[a-person5660]

They most certainly have

[Plykiya]

They most certainly have

good thing I got promoted to maintainer in that timespan :godo:

[a-person5660]

They most certainly have

good thing I got promoted to maintainer in that timespan :godo:

Wheeeyyyyy, I really hope this goes through. This pr would make my life so much easier.

[Plykiya]

Maintainers have agreed this is mostly a fine change while we don't have the RPD.

[Plykiya]

Making maintainer sentiment statements on my own PR is funny as hell, also you're still not capable of building atmos devices like pumps inside walls. Just pipes! Pretty sure the RCD doesn't function the same way as the construction menu either.