brouter-web leaping around, legend is huge #59
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Can it be related to available web technologies on Mac ? Similar and worse issues are experienced in Android browsers, as BRouter-web functional compatibility with Android browsers is in progress yet. |
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Good point, poutnik; I also have trouble with my country's Ordnance Survey maps, which can be scrolled back to see how the maps looked in 1650 or 1847 or whenever you like. But a little more GUI help would be nice. This would be a lovely routing aid for things like my planned cycle across the Esker Riada (the neolithic roads across Ireland on gravel ridges) from Dublin to Galway, if I could get it to work. It would be handy dandy to be able to make a circle of say 10km around my home and then plan a series of cycles radiating out from the centre and save and refine them, if it were a little more user-friendly. |
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And is there any way to make the legend a little more discreet? Damn thing is taking up half my screen! Preferences that could be changed would be nice (well, maybe they're there already & I'm just too stupid to find them.)
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And what is this? I know my childhood was a bit all-over-the-place, but gee…!
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Not to mention this - target island? say what? (The context is that I was experimenting with a cycle route along the cycle-walking path by the river; for some reason Brouter is gulping and spitting at this.)
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It's also doing something that maddens me in Google Maps - I drag the line, it decides for me that no, the nice riverside cycle lane isn't suitable and I should cycle on the road with the trucks. I drag it again to try to re-educate it. It has now added half a kilometre on to the route. So a route that Strava says is 16.6km is now 18.7km according to Brouter. |
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To the target island - the destination point is either too far from the OSM routable way network, or at the wa network, but not reachable according to used BRouter profile routing policy. |
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Routing is not based on neural network learning. It is based on OSM ways data and the BRouter routing profile you use ( standard or custom ). If you are not satified with the route generated for you, you have 3 choices>
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What’s a routable way network?
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To the target island - the destination point is either too far from the
OSM routable way network, or at the wa network, but not reachable according
to used BRouter profile routing policy.
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What’s neural network learning? Sorry about this, but I don’t know these
terms.
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… What’s a routable way network?
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> To the target island - the destination point is either too far from the
> OSM routable way network, or at the wa network, but not reachable according
> to used BRouter profile routing policy.
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For that, maybe brouter-web could be a bit more userfriendly and displays some generic-error instead. Because basically this errors means "cannot find a way to go from the start to the end", regardless island. |
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way is any line-like structure in OpenStreetMaps So routable way network is connection of all OSM highways that are in current routing mode allowed to use. |
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neural network learning - forget it - it is not used in context of BRouter engine backend nor BRouter-web fronend GUI. |
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Ah, very interesting! So the way babies learn languages!
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neural network learning - forget it - it is not used in context of BRouter
engine backend nor BRouter-web fronend GUI.
( If interested, it is way of human or machine learning by providing
example cases in learning phase and then deciding the cases based on what
was learned. )
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In fact not, The target island error is more specific. The other option is a forbidden bottleneck on the road. |
Yes indeed, I cannot actually reproduce it locally. Could you share (or @Tamhlacht) any url reproducing this issue? |
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@bagage Not handy. which of them ? Like schema |
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Hm. I was trying to get it to route me on my bike along a cycle/walk
riverside path (I’d left it at the default of ‘trekking’).
In another place, the routeer kept refusing to let me drag it onto a
one-way street going the correct way, and instead sending out a spur to
send me up another one-way street the wrong way. (Unless it was sending me
around in a circle between them, not sure.
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@bagage <https://github.com/bagage> Not handy. which of them ?
The island one you can achieve in rural areas to place destination far
enough from any road/track/path.
The denied bottleneck - the exact error wording I do not remember - try to
make BRouter to route you via forbidden way ( e.g. motorway on bike, or a
car through path ). eventually cut off via nogo areas all other ways that
are usable.
Like schema
- allowed way - - allowed way - not allowed way - allowed way - - allowed
way -
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Is there any way to make the big legend take up less space? It’s not
fulfilling any very useful function most of the time, but it’s covering
nearly half of the screen.
On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Carlow Wexford <[email protected]>
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… Hm. I was trying to get it to route me on my bike along a cycle/walk
riverside path (I’d left it at the default of ‘trekking’).
In another place, the routeer kept refusing to let me drag it onto a
one-way street going the correct way, and instead sending out a spur to
send me up another one-way street the wrong way. (Unless it was sending me
around in a circle between them, not sure.
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> @bagage <https://github.com/bagage> Not handy. which of them ?
> The island one you can achieve in rural areas to place destination far
> enough from any road/track/path.
> The denied bottleneck - the exact error wording I do not remember - try
> to make BRouter to route you via forbidden way ( e.g. motorway on bike, or
> a car through path ). eventually cut off via nogo areas all other ways that
> are usable.
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> Like schema
> - allowed way - - allowed way - not allowed way - allowed way - - allowed
> way -
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#56 is dealing about that yes, but it's not finished yet because none of us are web developers expert unfortunately. For now there is no way to reduce the legend width. But it should not take that much space, only 400px width:
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Thanks, Gautier - perhaps this is because I’m using a MacBook Air, and the
text, etc is so unfeasibly small on the 13” screen that I tend to cmd+ it
up. I haven’t done this since trying Brouter first, but it may have
remembered the setting.
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Is there any way to make the big legend take up less space? It’s not
fulfilling any very useful function most of the time, but it’s covering
nearly half of the screen.
#56 <#56> is dealing about
that yes, but it's not finished yet because none of us are web developers
expert unfortunately. For now there is no way to reduce the legend width.
But it should not take that much space, only 400px width:
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…and yes, I tried cmd-minus and the legend decreased to a normal size.
I’d normally use mouse track pinching to change size in a map, but the
brouter one is a little over-excited in its response, and it tends to leap
to road size and decrease to country size with one pinch.
On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Carlow Wexford <[email protected]>
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… Thanks, Gautier - perhaps this is because I’m using a MacBook Air, and the
text, etc is so unfeasibly small on the 13” screen that I tend to cmd+ it
up. I haven’t done this since trying Brouter first, but it may have
remembered the setting.
On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 11:03 AM, Gautier Pelloux-Prayer <
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> Is there any way to make the big legend take up less space? It’s not
> fulfilling any very useful function most of the time, but it’s covering
> nearly half of the screen.
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> #56 <#56> is dealing about
> that yes, but it's not finished yet because none of us are web developers
> expert unfortunately. For now there is no way to reduce the legend width.
> But it should not take that much space, only 400px width:
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2 hints - in the bottom right coner one can copy permalink to provide the link to the scenario. |
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I thought I saw a way to put a circle of a specific size around a place,
but can’t now see how to do that…?
And is there any way to set ‘directions’ as in Google Maps, by typing in
place names, rather than having to find the destination on the map and
click it?
On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 11:10 AM, Carlow Wexford <[email protected]>
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… …and yes, I tried cmd-minus and the legend decreased to a normal size.
I’d normally use mouse track pinching to change size in a map, but the
brouter one is a little over-excited in its response, and it tends to leap
to road size and decrease to country size with one pinch.
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> Thanks, Gautier - perhaps this is because I’m using a MacBook Air, and
> the text, etc is so unfeasibly small on the 13” screen that I tend to cmd+
> it up. I haven’t done this since trying Brouter first, but it may have
> remembered the setting.
>
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>> Is there any way to make the big legend take up less space? It’s not
>> fulfilling any very useful function most of the time, but it’s covering
>> nearly half of the screen.
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>> #56 <#56> is dealing about
>> that yes, but it's not finished yet because none of us are web developers
>> expert unfortunately. For now there is no way to reduce the legend width.
>> But it should not take that much space, only 400px width:
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>> [image: capture d ecran de 2016-12-22 13-02-08]
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I see (after deploying a microscope) that teenshy text with ‘Permalink’ - I
clicked on it but it didn’t seem to do anything.
Oh, wait, it deployed an information sheet, and froze the page, dammit:
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2 hints - in the bottom right coner one can copy permalink to provide the
link to the scenario.
Data link above the left botom text field provided OSM tages for suggested
route segments.
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The Black Point icon with a hing Draw no-go area ( circle ). |
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Thanks, yes, I tried the magnifying glass; it finds one place but not two
(to be clear, it won’t find Ringsend for me and then find Newcomen Bridge
and offer a route between them, at last I haven’t been able to make it do
so.
The Permalink - you hover and then cmd-c, and what exactly does it paste,
and where would I link it to? Sorry, puzzled by that. Do you mean that once
I’ve worked out how to make a route without it throwing out spurs to here
there and everywhere and sending me all around the world for sport, I can
copy that route into… something… by copy-and-paste? Into what and how?
Google Maps? Apple Maps? TomTom? Word? Here?
It would be nice if Brouter were a downloadable program, because then I
could send you some logs to show how a normally (or perhaps exceptionally)
eejity map user, rather than a geographer or programmer, interacts with the
map.
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The Black Point icon with a hing Draw no-go area ( circle ).
The icon with magnifying glass means textual search ( 3rd part online
resource ) , either name, either coordinates. the latter is picky, not all
coord. formats are accepted.
Permalink serves rather for hoovering over and copying the link to
clipboard. then paste to link where you want. Following the link provides
BRouter-web with chosen map, region, zoom, start, destination,
used(standard) profile + optionally viapoints.
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It uses OSM or other online world-wide place database, so it finds what result is provided. this link is the state of the BRouter-web screen. You can share the state of the screens by sharing the link. After the copy, use it as any other URL link, in the browser address field, or share it as any link anywhere you are used to share links. for the route itself, you need to download the GPX files, containing the route. Brouter IS a downloadable Android program, usable standalone, or as the 3rd party offline routing engine |
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For the help and discussion, the better place then the issues is the Google group "osm-android-bikerouting", common for BRouter application and BRouter-web. |
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Even though I don’t use an Android phone or Android tablet?
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For the help and discussion, the better place then the issues is the
Google group "osm-android-bikerouting", common for BRouter application and
BRouter-web.
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Even though. Github Issues are to be considered as feature request and bug tracker. Issue discussion are rather for issue or new idea/feature clarifications, suggestings of workarounds or issue fixes. GPX provided by BRouter-web is not Android specific and can be used in any GPX aware application in multiple platforms. |
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Thanks; I’ll ask there if I am using the map, then.
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Even though. GPX is not Android specific. Issue discussion are rather for
issue or new idea/feature clarifications, suggestings of workarounds or
issue fixes.
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what is essential is the very specific features and abilities of BRouter for the bicycle routing, unseen anywhere else. See e.g. https://github.com/poutnikl/Brouter-profiles/wiki |
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Ah, right, excellent!
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what is essential is the very specific features and abilities of BRouter
for the bicycle routing, unseen anywhere else. See e.g.
https://github.com/poutnikl/Brouter-profiles/wiki
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Ah, it’s a Google Group? No, I don’t do Google Groups, they don’t protect
privacy enough for me. That’s a pity.
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I’ll ask one last question and then leave ye alone: is there any way to
make the pinch to resize the map less sensitive? I find it almost
impossible to control - on Google Maps, for instance, you pinch slowly and
gradually and the map moves slowly and gradually, while on the map used by
Brouter (which may not, of course, be under your control) it leaps from a
50-metre view to a 3km view with one tiny gesture.
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… Ah, it’s a Google Group? No, I don’t do Google Groups, they don’t protect
privacy enough for me. That’s a pity.
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> what is essential is the very specific features and abilities of BRouter
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> https://github.com/poutnikl/Brouter-profiles/wiki
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I access the Brouter Google group personally via maillist interface only. If I got it well you ask about the map zooming in/out. I have noticed in past that on some machines/browser/mouse(?)/mouse driver(?) combinations, zooming by the mouse scrolling is too sensitive. In such a case is preferred zooming via zoom in/zoom out icons. I am not aware of a way to address it, as it is local environment dependent. |
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Hm, but it’s not - I just opened a tab with Google Maps and mouse-scrolled
and it moved leisurely outwards. Opened another tab with Brouter and when I
moused it behaved like a Victorian spinster going eeek and leaping on a
chair when she sees a mouse!
How do you join the Google Group as a maillist, please?
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I access the Brouter Google group personally via maillist interface only.
If I got it well you ask amout the map zooming in/out. I have noticed in
past that on some machines/browser/mouse(?)/mouse driver(?) combinations,
zoomin by the mouse scrolling is too sensitive. In such a case is preferred
zooming via zoom in/zo out icons. I am not aware of a way to address it, as
it is local environment dependent.
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I have supposed you got the mouse behaviour experience may differ between various webpages, so you should not be surprised Google Maps and Brouter-web may behave differently. I remember once it behaved like zooming fine on one my computer and zooming like zrazy on the other. But as I am not the author, I cannot change anything on it. I can only advice to use zooming icons instead. You need to register at GG as the member of the group and the configure it to use the email gateway to receive and send the posts. You may want to create a dedicated Gmail account for this or similar cases, not to expose your eventual personal email. |
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Thanks, I’ll do that.
No, the zooming icons don’t work, because they also increase or decrease
the size of the legend box.
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I have supposed you got the mouse behaviour experience may differ between
various webpages, so you should not be surprised Google Maps and
Brouter-web may behave differently. But as I am not the author, I cannot
change anything on it. I can only advice to use zooming icons instead.
You need to register at GG as the member of the group and the configure it
to use the email gateway to receive and send the posts. You may want to
create a dedicated Gmail account for this or similar cases, not to expose
your eventual personal email.
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Hm, that is very strange, related probably to similar mobile browser issues. But just guessing. Edit: Until today I have thought desktop browsers work fine. |
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Oh, you’re right, the Brouter legend box’s + and - aren’t having any effect
on the legend box size only on the map size.
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Hm, that is very strange, related probably to similar mobile browser
issues. But just guessing.
( I suppose you do not confuse them with eventual browser feature to zoom
a general page.)
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Closing this since the initial issue is solved -- please open a new issue if there is any. |
Is there an easy video guide to using this router? It's behaving weirdly (on a Mac, in Chrome, with latest MacOS and Chrome version). It won't cancel routes, when i try to size up or down the map it leaps wildly from a street to a country, the 'legend' section on the left has decided to take up half the screen. It's not at all user-friendly.
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