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Restore copying rare headwords when not in simplified mode #1665

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birtles opened this issue Mar 12, 2024 · 1 comment · Fixed by #1667
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Restore copying rare headwords when not in simplified mode #1665

birtles opened this issue Mar 12, 2024 · 1 comment · Fixed by #1667

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birtles commented Mar 12, 2024

As reported by email:

Rare headwords are excluded from the result unless we matched on them.

This occurs even if the new 'simplified' info feature is not enabled. So, whereas I used to get all information regarding possible kanji, now I only get the non-rare ones.

My request is to either a) restore copying all, including rare, kanji forms when doing a normal/default (non-simplified) copy of an entry, or b) add an additional option that re-enables the copying of rare forms to the clipboard (i.e. so that 'all' information is copied).

Reason / use-case:
I'm using 10ten to add information to Vocab and Grammar points in Bunpro, in the (user-specific) Notes sections of the entries that I'm trying to learn. Since these Notes fields can contain even long text (with some limited formatting), there is no need for succinctness or omitting even 'rare' kanji from the full information available from the popup into the clipboard.

I often use these extra kanji to give me clues to look up other Vocabs (for example) that contain these same kanji, even if the form is rare. Often, there are interesting semantic connections between words that can help to form mental connections to strengthen the memory associations, making remembering various words easier or more fruitful.

As an example, I recently was exploring various words and one of them happened to be:
然し [しかし]
(conj) (uk) however; but

Now, if I had discovered that word in kana as しかし, then the only thing that would have come out of the clipboard would have been:
しかし
(conj) (uk) however; but

However, luckily, I had encountered it with the kanji included, and this was useful because I had also recently found another word with the same kanji, but this time the kanji usage was not rare:
然る [さる, しかる]
(1) (adj-pn) (uk) a particular; a certain
(2) (adj-pn) (uk) that kind of; such a

And this entry allowed me to see that there was a connection there, where しかる and さる are different forms of the same word, 然る. In other words, that 然 has (among others) those two possible readings, しか and さ.

And this was useful because I was ultimately trying to find a way (a mnemonic) to help me learn/remember 必ず [かならず], and had recently looked up a word which also ended with - ならず, namely:
然ならず [さならず]
(1) (exp) (arch) it is not as such; it does not seem as such
(2) (exp) it should not be as such

So, さならず is like/similar-to かならず, and the さ is related to 然, which among other readings is related to しか, which is familiar because the word しかし is a rather common word.

But if I only had this entry to go on:
しかし
(conj) (uk) however; but

... then this kind of mnemonic-by-association would have been artificially cut short.

So, that's the main reason I'd like the rare forms back.

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But here is another one. Perhaps from a user-interface perspective it is even more significant:

Going back to しかし, if I look up しかし either from kana-only form, or even from the 然し form, then at best I can copy into clipboard this:
然し [しかし]
(conj) (uk) however; but

However, that omits another rare form, namely 併し. And, here is the issue:
Without the ability to copy all the rare forms into the clipboard, there is currently no way to even access that 併し form of the word. It remains locked away within the popup, leaving the user with no way to select/access/copy the 併 kanji that is plainly visible within the popup user interface!

In essence, for the purposes of researching words and kanji, this recent removal of copying rare forms has artificially cut off significant branches of the search space from easy access by the user/researcher.

Of course, I could work around this by copying the main entry, しかし or 然し, into Jisho.org and looking the entry up there, and copying from there.

But isn't the whole point of 10ten to simplify and eliminate such tedious workarounds?

For these and other reasons I won't belabour, I request that the default copy-to-clipboard copy all forms, including rare. Or, otherwise, add in a new option toggle to re-enable copying all (including rare) forms to the Options.

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birtles commented Mar 12, 2024

Long term I'm sure we'll end up adding more settings to configure the copy-to-clipboard feature but for now I think we want to revert/tweak 808d807 when we're not in simplified copy mode.

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