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@xezon xezon commented Sep 13, 2023

This change increases the steal cash amount of the GLA Saboteur from 1000 to 1200.

This bumps the max gain factor from 2.5 to 3.0.

Original Saboteur reward

1x Saboteur, entering enemy Supply Center

-800 build cost
+1000 cash reward
+1000 enemy cash loss

= +200 self cash reward
= +1200 total cash gain

Max cash gain factor 2.5 aka +150%

Patched Saboteur reward

1x Saboteur, entering enemy Supply Center

-800 build cost
+1200 cash reward
+1200 enemy cash loss

= +400 self cash reward
= +1600 total cash gain

Max cash gain factor 3.0 aka +200%

Terrorists kill reward

4x Terrorist, killing enemy War Factory

-800 build cost
+2000 enemy cash loss
+15 or more seconds production delay
+200 XP

= +0 self cash reward
= +1200 total cash gain

Common cash gain factor 2.5 aka +150%

1x Technical + 4x Terrorist, killing enemy War Factory

-800 build cost for Terrors
-500 build cost for Technical
+2000 enemy cash loss
+15 or more seconds production delay
+200 XP

= +0 self cash reward
= +700 total cash gain

Common cash gain factor 1.54 aka +54%

Rationale

The GLA Saboteur is seldom used to steal cash from an opponent. The max gain factor of 2.5 is not more attractive in comparison to the Terrorists.

The Terrorists have the same gain factor, but they also delay enemy income or production and give experience points for kills.

The Saboteur is stealth, but is unarmed and has no utility other than sabotaging enemy structures. It needs to have a valuable reward, otherwise it is not attractive to invest in. It is a gamble unit, similar to the Terrorist and Bomb Truck. The max steal cash value is not guaranteed: If the target player has less cash on the bank, then the Saboteur will withdraw just as much cash is available, anywhere from 0 to 1200. The Saboteur requires an Arms Dealer to build and has a relatively long build time of 30 seconds (without Power).

Raising the max gain factor from 2.5 to 3.0 appears reasonable to make the Saboteur more attractive to use.

@xezon xezon added Design Is a matter of game design Controversial Is controversial Minor Severity: Minor < Major < Critical < Blocker GLA Affects GLA faction labels Sep 13, 2023
@xezon xezon force-pushed the tweak-saboteur-steal-cash branch from 30eae5c to 31abc6a Compare September 13, 2023 08:43
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xezon commented Sep 14, 2023

After correcting the information above, I no longer believe this change is necessarily required. Saboteur reward already is good and comparable to Terrorists with max gain factor of 2.5. This change raises max gain to 3.0. We can do it, but perhaps Saboteur will be too good?

The logical counter play here for USA are Sentry Drones and for China are Mines.

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ImTimK commented Sep 14, 2023

This is a good change I think (please read my comment in the main topic).

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xezon commented Sep 15, 2023

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look good to me

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xezon commented Jun 7, 2024

How about we set Cash Steal amount to 1100 instead of 1200? Then cash gain factor is 2.75, which is close to the average cash gain factor 2.71 of #2357.

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xezon commented Jun 8, 2024

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$1200 is good.

@xezon xezon force-pushed the tweak-saboteur-steal-cash branch from 31abc6a to 7e0e86e Compare June 9, 2024 07:06
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xezon commented Jun 9, 2024

Good.

@xezon xezon merged commit 4c33a41 into main Jun 9, 2024
@xezon xezon deleted the tweak-saboteur-steal-cash branch June 9, 2024 11:41
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