pAI lawset #32251
pAI lawset #32251
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Adds a lawset for all 3 pAIs
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May need some tweaking to account for malf since they have binary |
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malf pai when |
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i think it's more fun if pAIs can decide whether |
Originally I meant the person, who enabled pAI (so his name is used pAI's name). But as there is no definition of |
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period at the end of the laws. also I think it would be funny if the potato had some kind of difference (maybe an ion law on start would be cool?). "You may listen to your owner or not. You don't care, you're just a potato." |
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Law 1: Whoever is holding you is the crew. then ion storm pulls up: |
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I play on lizard and I don't often see anyone playing for pai and now they are also attributed some laws that don't mean much, if they had more functionality than talking and staring at the map it would be more appropriate, but for now what's the point？ |
I think it is the way to add ion storm to pAI, thanks (but |
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crew is so ion storm laws work without any modification |
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Aren't they currently marked as familiars? This would mean they should already be following orders given by whoever "summoned" them. Similar to remilia. I guess this just makes it more clear? Alrhough the ability get ion laws sounds fun |
doesn't let it decide to be loyal to original owner choose-loyalty pAI can do a funny and pretend it's loyal to the new owner while it's really misguiding them, i was once a nukie pAI and got rescued by crew and pretended to be loyal, and i made nukies win because crew couldn't find nuke since i intentionally told crew holding me the wrong direction |
Yes, they are. There is also special message in chat: "You are bound to silicon laws..." (or this message was added after my changes, sorry, I didn't pay attention). So I guess adding laws would make it clearer, as you said. I'll add laws that were suggested upper and probably add pAI laws to ion storm (borgs with pAI laws sound kinda fun I guess). |
I guess law: "Your owner is a crew" is possible solution. |
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Only issue with "Owner is crew" is if a traitor decides to use a regular pAI means the pAI would be against them versus with. Which I personally like it when the pAI gets tow work with the traitor. |
I don't understand the issue. He is not against crew, because crew for him is his owner. If the owner(traitor) is a crew, so pAI will work with him(onwer=crew) anyway. But if somebody gets the pAI, it can start working with that guy. As there is no definition of owner, it could be either the person who has activated pAI or the current carrier (so, it probably has conflict with familiars, if master = person who has activated pAI, so it needs to be specified, am I right?) |
yeah, you're correct. Sorry in my head I was also applying the rest of crewsimov, but that wouldn't apply in this situation. So this is fine. |
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Wouldn't it be easier code-wise to re-use the borg's ActionViewLaws and add it to the pAI the same way it is done for the borg chassis instead of hardcoding it into the PAIComponent? |
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I've just did it as it was made for other pAI actions. We anyway need new action to view laws (probably) cause pAI can't open them (if we just add |
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actually I can do something like this. So, I guess, we can remove |
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I think it should be like Law 1: You may not injure your owner or, through inaction, allow your owner to come to harm. (if your owner is a syndicate you shouldn't out them) Syndicate pAI also gets Law 0: Your may not injure the Syndicate or, through inaction, allow the Syndicate to come to harm. (if your owner is secoff you shouldn't snitch on syndie radio anyway) And potato one, as someone mentioned before, should get ion law from the beginning |
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1984 heh.... |
as pAIs are familiars, almost nothing changes for them. Actually they now have ability to get funny laws |
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Well, I've tried to make so only server PAISystem exists (via deletion of shared and client systems that are empty). But I didn't succeed. Honestly, I don't know if it should be done, just want to inform you 😞 |
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Hey, I brought this up for maintainer discussion and the consensus was that pAIs don't require laws as they cannot do anything but talk, are already familiars regarding server rules, and giving them laws will increase admin burden. As such I will be closing this PR. Thank you for your contribution. For future silicon law PRs we have decided that they will first require a design doc, see #8524 for more details. |
About the PR
Adds a lawset for all 3 pAIs (pAI, syndicate pAI, potato AI). It consists of 2 laws.
If it is needed, I can change "owner" to the "current carrier" (cause wiki says: "Supervisors: Your carrier"), it can bring more fun with changing "the owner" (like trading/stealing pAIs or smth).
pAIs are affected by ion storm (and can get borg's lawset) and borgs (and station AI) can get pAI's lawset.
Turning on and off the pAI won't reset the lawset.
It is possible, that pAIs should have their own IonStormLawsets. There is opportunity to add new pAI laws (for example, for potato, sindie or clown lawsets), This may make their gameplay funnier (cause there is no point from NTDefault if everything you can do: playing music and talk).
Why / Balance
I think pAIs shoud have something that will trigger them ingame to obey orders of the owner. I guess if there is no orders, so the pAI can make whatever he want to, as it is now.
Technical details
Added action to view laws. Now uses ActionGrant instead of SharedPAISystem.
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