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Car Parking with Park and Ride Checked, should give amenity=car_pooling #4623

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gregcrago opened this issue Dec 19, 2017 · 7 comments
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When you select EDIT/AREA/(search)Car Parking/Park and Ride (checked)
It tags amenity=car_parking. It would be better to tag amenity=car_pooling

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bhousel commented Dec 19, 2017

For comparison:
Car Pooling: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcar_pooling (e.g. Uber)
Car Sharing: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcar_sharing (e.g. Zipcar)
Car Parking: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dparking

I don't think amenity=car_pooling is quite the same as amenity=parking + park_ride=*
But I do think we could add presets for these other car sharing things.

@bhousel bhousel added considering Not Actionable - still considering if this is something we want preset An issue with an OpenStreetMap preset or tag labels Dec 19, 2017
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amenity=parking + park_ride=yes does not equal amenity=car_pooling

A Park + Ride car park is where you can park your car then get some sort of public transport (eg bus/tram) to your destination (eg city centre/a big tourist attraction).

It would be good to see a preset for car sharing created though.

@bhousel Uber is more like a taxi service than a car pooling service (see http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42423627 for recent news article)

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@bhousel just to confirm what @lakedistrictOSM has said: P+R has nothing to do with car pooling at all.

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bhousel commented Dec 23, 2017

Sorry you are right - I thought amenity=car_pooling was for those ride sharing pickup spots at airports, but I guess not.

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In my state, Michigan (USA). Park and Ride IS Car_pooling. It is an empty lot, usually next to a freeway and there is no public transportation. It is not Uber because if you have a car to drive to this parking lot, why would you pay to be transported elsewhere? It was designed to as a place to park and car_pool with another person to a common destination, like a workplace. That is why I think amenity=parking and park_ride=yes does mean amenity=car_pooling

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well that is not clearly not a global interpretation (see for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_and_ride ) which doesn't mean that there shouldn't be a car pool... whatever preset, just that the P+R checkbox should not imply it.

@bhousel bhousel closed this as completed in 31770b3 Jan 2, 2018
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bhousel commented Jan 2, 2018

@gregcrago, I added a preset for amenity=car_pooling.. I am not going to change what the park_ride checkbox does at this time, since it seems to have a mostly well-defined meaning as a parking lot with connections to public transit.

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