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<li class='division'>Points of Controversy</li>
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<h1>15.9 Of Trance (iii.)</h1>
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<p><span class='add'>Controverted Point</span><a class='pc' id='pc299' href='#pc299'></a>: That a person may die while in a state of trance.</p>
<p><span class='add'>Theravādin:</span> <a class='ref pts-cs' id='pts-cs15.9.1' href='#pts-cs15.9.1'>PTS cs 15.9.1</a>You must, then, admit that, while in that state, he has all the <span class='add'>mental</span> symptoms betokening death—to wit, in mental contact, feeling, perception, volition, consciousness. But you agree that all moribund mental symptoms are absent. Hence your proposition falls through.</p>
<p><a class='ref pts-cs' id='pts-cs15.9.2' href='#pts-cs15.9.2'>PTS cs 15.9.2</a>You will further agree with this: not only that for one in a state of trance is all mental life in abeyance, but also that death is accompanied by contactual, emotional, volitional, and cognitive symptoms.</p>
<p><a class='ref pts-cs' id='pts-cs15.9.3' href='#pts-cs15.9.3'>PTS cs 15.9.3</a>Moreover, can poison, weapons, or fire affect the body of one in trance? You deny. You assert, on the contrary, that those causes of death cannot affect him. Then, can you maintain your proposition?</p>
<p><a class='ref pts-cs' id='pts-cs15.9.4' href='#pts-cs15.9.4'>PTS cs 15.9.4</a>Or do you now maintain that poison, weapons, or fire can affect his body? Then, is his attainment not genuine? … .</p>
<p><span class='add'>Rājagirika:</span> But in opposing my proposition you imply that there must be some principle of certainty (or uniformity) by which one is assured of not dying while in trance. If you say that such an assurance does not exist, your proposition cannot stand.</p>
<p><span class='add'>Theravādin:</span> <a class='ref pts-cs' id='pts-cs15.9.5' href='#pts-cs15.9.5'>PTS cs 15.9.5</a>But one who is enjoying visual consciousness is not dying, even though there be no uniform principle of certainty by which he is assured of being kept from death. Hence I assert as much of one who is in trance.</p>
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<p><cite class='book' translate='no'>The Points of Controversy</cite>, an English translation of the Pali Abhidhamma Kathāvatthu. Translated by <span class='author'>Shwe Zan Aung</span> and <span class='author'>C.A.F. Rhys Davids</span>. First published by Pali Text Society, <span class='publication-date'>1915</span>.</p>
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