podcasts.yml

# 2025 podcasts
- title: WHCR Community & Technology
  slug: whcr-ai-2025
  tags: [AI]
  venues: WHCR
  date: 2025-01-21
  url: https://youtu.be/iLa7TkX90AY
  description: random radio chat
- title: Last Week in AI - guest host in Jan
  slug: lwai-2025
  tags: [AI]
  venues: LastWeekinAI
  date: 2025-01-20
  url: https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/last-week-in-ai/197-free-ai-in-gmail-minimax-fCdt-x_RXAF/
  description: guest hosting last week in ai
- title: Ride Home podcast with Simon Willison
  slug: ridehome-2025
  tags: [AI]
  venues: TechMemeRideHome
  date: 2025-01-11
  url: https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/techmeme-ride-home/bns-simon-willison-and-swyx-4i_tP-5Ofqp/
  description: https://www.latent.space/p/2024-simonw


# 2024 podcasts
- title: The State of the AI in 2024 with ChitChatStocks
  slug: chitchatstocks-ai
  tags: [AI, Finance]
  venues: ChitChatMoney
  date: 2024-12-18
  url: https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/chit-chat-stocks/the-future-of-artificial-3ylaqngtMR7/
  description: On this episode of Chit Chat Stocks, Ryan and Brett speak to Shawn Wang of Latent Space, who is an expert and on the ground working in the AI start-up space
- title: Winning, AI Eng, Devtools Angels, and DevRel
  slug: scaling-devtools-2
  tags: [AI, DevRel]
  venues: ScalingDevtools
  date: 2024-10-10
  url: https://podcast.scalingdevtools.com/episodes/swyx-2
  description: Second chat with Jack Bridger about a variety of pet topics with devtools and ai.
- title: AI Eng with Sandra Kublik
  slug: aiewf-sandra-kublik
  tags: [AI]
  venues: SandraKublik
  date: 2024-09-30
  url: https://sites.libsyn.com/493303/building-ai-in-2024-is-not-what-you-think-with-swyx
  description: The AI Engineer Persona - What defines this new role and how it keeps evolving
- title: DevRel Death and ZIRP, AI Engineering, Cognition/Devin
  slug: changelog-devrel-zirp
  tags: [AI]
  venues: Changelog
  date: 2024-07-09
  url: https://changelog.com/friends/52
  description: Shawn “swyx” Wang is back to talk with us about the state of DevRel according to ZIRP (the Zero Interest Rate Phenomenon), the data that backs up the rise and fall of job openings, whether or not DevRel is dead or dying, speculation of the near-term arrival of AGI, AI Engineering as the last job standing, the innovation from Cognition with Devin as well as their mis-steps during Devin’s launch, and what’s to come in the next innovation round of AI.
- title: Inventing the AI Engineer with Raza Habib
  slug: highagency-aieng
  tags: [AI]
  venues: HighAgency
  date: 2024-06-20
  url: https://share.transistor.fm/s/890b0ab6
  description: In this episode, I chatted with Shawn Wang about his upcoming AI engineering conference and what an AI engineer really is. It's been a year since he penned the viral essay "Rise of the AI Engineer' and we discuss if this new role will be enduring, the make up of the optimal AI team and trends in machine learning.
- title: Swyx on Plan B Singapore podcast
  slug: planb-swyx
  tags: [AI]
  venues: PlanB
  date: 2024-07-03
  url: https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/plan-b-news-beat-ZoCrxdekY79/
  description: We speak with Shawn Wang, CEO of SMOL AI, often credited for coining the term "AI Engineer". Living in San Francisco means riding driverless cars to work is an everyday affair, so how far behind is Singapore in AI adoption? Or are the citizens of Southeast Asia's tech hub too skeptical for it to work?
- title: AI Engineering, Devin, and the Future of Software - swyx on Modern Web Podcast
  slug: modernweb-swyx
  tags: [AI]
  venues: ModernWeb
  date: 2024-04-17
  url: https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/modern-web/modern-web-podcast-s12e03-rl_OLdGJHS8/
  description: swyx rejoined Tracy and Rob for an introductory convo on AI Engineering and live Devin demo
- title: AI Engineer Trends - Latent Space x AI Breakdown
  slug: breakdown-4wars
  tags: [AI]
  venues: AIBreakdown
  date: 2024-03-29
  url: https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/the-ai-breakdown/what-ai-developers-are-CPKz4Yed9rv/
  description: NLW is back with Part 2 of his conversation with the hosts of Latent Space. In this segment they hone in on the trends Swyx and Alessio are seeing in what developers are building.
- title: Four Wars - Latent Space x AI Breakdown
  slug: breakdown-4wars
  tags: [AI]
  venues: AIBreakdown
  date: 2024-03-29
  url: https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/the-ai-breakdown/the-four-wars-of-the-ai-Fhtlb4M2yzI/
  description: NLW is joined today by the hosts of the Latent Space podcast for part one of a wide-ranging conversation about the changes and shifts in the AI market in early 2024.
- title: swyx on Thursday Nights in AI
  slug: tnai-swyx
  tags: [AI]
  venues: TNAI
  date: 2024-03-04
  url: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj2Bm_XYOVs
  description: At this Thursday Nights in Ai hosts Ali Rohde and Josh Albrecht talk about the Rise of the AI Engineer with @swyx, host of the Latent Space podcast, and one of the most in-the-weeds commentators on the companies, papers, and trends rising and falling in AI, every single week.
- title: swyx on ChinaTalk
  slug: chinatalk-swyx
  tags: [AI]
  venues: ChinaTalk
  date: 2024-02-15
  url: https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/chinatalk/can-china-fast-follow-on-ai-38qumFCti59/
  description: swyx and Alessio joined Jordan Schneider to talk Latent Space with Chinese characteristics.
- title: swyx on ThursdAI
  slug: thursdai-swyx
  tags: [AI]
  venues: ThursdAI
  date: 2024-02-15
  url: https://sub.thursdai.news/p/thursdai-feb-15-2024-openai-changes
  description: swyx joined Alex Volkov on his podcast for a surprise interview on Latent Space and AI Engineer.
- title: The Making of an Industry - The Rise of AI Engineering, with Swyx
  slug: scrimba-aieng
  tags: [AI]
  venues: Scrimba
  date: 2024-01-24
  url: https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/the-scrimba-podcast/the-making-of-an-industry-SphYCd8lAUc/
  description: Last summer, Swyx wrote a blog post titled The Rise of the AI Engineer, which quickly went viral. In this episode, Swyx will revisit that blog post to see if anything changed. You will learn why AI engineers are a thing, the differences between AI and ML engineers, and why the demand for this specialization is larger than the supply. Swyx also reveals what defines an industry (and why it's not only about tools) and gives many good examples of successful products made using existing foundation models. Swyx and Alex also talk about the inner workings of AI and whether it's a good idea to run AI models on your own hardware.

  
# 2023 podcasts

- title: Navigating AI and Software 3.0 Tech Career on Code Ryan channel
  slug: code-ryan
  tags: [AI, Careers]
  venues: CodeRyan
  date: 2023-12-21
  url: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5qfKKct6dc
  description: Ryan is a newish creator who cold email, and I did my best to support him!
- title: Rise of the AI Engineer on Real World Serverless
  slug: rwas-ai-eng
  tags: [AI]
  venues: RealWorldServerless
  date: 2023-12-06
  url: https://realworldserverless.com/episode/92
  description: Chatted with Yan Cui who I have long followed on AWS Serverless things, on the Rise Of.
- title: AI Engineers, Pendants, and Tensions with OpenAI on Cognitive Revolution
  slug: cogrev-ai-eng
  tags: [AI]
  venues: CogRev
  date: 2023-10-05
  url: https://www.cognitiverevolution.ai/ai-engineers-pendants-and-tensions-between-openai-and-developers-with-swyx-of-latent-space/
  description: Chatted with Nathan Labenz, who's work on CogRev I really admire, on the AI Eng thesis and conference!
- title: Software 3.0 and the AI Engineer on PodRocket
  slug: podrocket-ai-eng
  tags: [AI]
  venues: PodRocket
  date: 2023-10-04
  url: https://podrocket.logrocket.com/software-3-and-the-ai-engineer
  description: Went back on Podrocket to talk about AI Eng - with Tejas, who I fortunately hung out with at Infobip Shift in Croatia just a few weeks prior. This convo was really well done and edited and Tejas is an incredible interviewer. Proud of this one.
- title: Chatting AI on Shoptalk Show
  slug: shoptalk-ai
  tags: [AI]
  venues: ShoptalkShow
  date: 2023-08-07
  url: https://shoptalkshow.com/577/
  description: Rejoined Chris and Dave to reintroduce AI Engineering to the broader frontend world, and demystify things for beginners! Audio starts bad but improves halfway once we discovered I was using the wrong mic
- title: swyx and Alessio on AI Breakdown
  slug: ai-breakdown-1
  tags: [AI]
  venues: AIBreakdown
  date: 2023-08-04
  url: https://www.latent.space/p/breakdown#details
  description: The hosts of AI Breakdown and Latent Space get together to discuss GPT4.5, Llama 2, AI Agents, AI Companions, and the Rise of the AI Engineer!
- title: From Dev to AI Founder with Quincy Larson of FreeCodeCamp
  slug: freecodecamp-ai
  tags: [AI]
  venues: Freecodecamp
  date: 2023-07-27
  url: https://freecodecamp.libsyn.com/90-shawn-swyx-wang-from-dev-to-ai-founder
  description: I caught up with Quincy again after many years from our first pod!
- title: Sourcegraph Cody + Exploring smol developer ft. swyx & Beyang Liu
  slug: smol-sourcegraph
  tags: [AI]
  venues: Sourcegraph
  date: 2023-06-29
  url: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFOnU4g07Cs
  description: We ask our AI coding assistant, Cody, to give us a tour of smol developer, a new tool for generating scaffolding for new code projects.
- title: Deno and the Future of Dev Tools with Ryan Dahl
  slug: deno-devtools
  tags: [DevTools]
  venues: Deno
  date: 2023-06-15
  url: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvieJBbUuDk
  description: I was honored to be invited on to Deno's YouTube as part of their Deno KV Hackathon, to riff on KV and other storage solutions with Ryan Dahl.
- title: Productivity vs Leverage on the Human Skills pod
  slug: human-skills-pod
  tags: [Career]
  venues: Human Skills
  date: 2023-06-06
  url: https://www.humanskills.co/p/human-skills-012-productivity-and
  description: I was honored to be invited on to KBall's new podcast to talk about career stuff again, my first in a while. This pod basically encapsulates all I have internalized about Naval and Tiago Forte's reflections on leverage. Enjoy
- title: AI for Developers on Svelte Radio
  slug: svelte-radio-ai-pod
  tags: [Tech, AI]
  venues: Svelte Radio
  date: 2023-05-11
  url: https://www.svelteradio.com/episodes/a-primer-on-ai-for-developers-with-swyx-from-latent-space
  description: This episode is special in the sense that it's not so much about Svelte in particular but for developers in general. If you haven't gone down the AI rabbit hole yet this episode is for you. Swyx gives us a crash course in what it is and how you can use it as a web developer. Enjoy!
- title: Angel Investing in Devtools on the Wannabe Angels podcast
  slug: wannabe-angels-pod
  tags: [Tech, Investing]
  venues: Wannabe Angels
  date: 2023-04-26
  url: https://wannabeangels.com/p/the-devtools-angel-and-scout-shawn#details
  description: Chatting with The Rideshare Guy and Colin Gardiner on the why and how of Devtools Angel Investing.
- title: Talking AI DX on the Alphalist CTO podcast
  slug: alphalist-cto-ai-chat
  tags: [Tech, AI, DX]
  venues: Alphalist CTO
  date: 2023-04-13
  url: https://alphalist.com/podcast/74-shawn-swyx-wang-developer-experience-expert
  description: Tune in to discover how generative AI will change programming and how to start exploring the world of LLMs.
- title: Talking AI on the Techmeme RideHome podcast
  slug: techmeme-ridehome-ai-chat
  tags: [Tech, AI]
  venues: Techmeme Ridehome
  date: 2023-01-13
  url: https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/techmeme-ride-home/twtr-spc-the-big-ai-discussion-vb0hd4qmEHA/
  description: I joined the Techmeme RideHome duo (Brian McCollough + Chris Messina) to chat AI with the gang!
- title: Crossing the Chasm with Jack Bridger's Scaling DevTools podcast
  slug: crossing-chasm-scaling-devtools
  tags: [Tech, Devrel]
  venues: Scaling Devtools
  date: 2023-01-12
  url: https://podcast.bitreach.io/episodes/swyx
  video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xEyt7mVbX8
  description: Everyone in tech should understand the technology adoption cycle and know which stage of the adoption cycle you’re at. Shawn Wang, known on the internet as swyx. Shawn is a writer, speaker and head of DX at Airbyte. He's also the editor of DX.tips. In this episode Shawn shares how DevTools can cross the chasm.
- title: The State of the Cloud in 2023 with ChitChatMoney
  slug: chitchatmoney-cloud
  tags: [Tech, Finance]
  venues: ChitChatMoney
  date: 2023-01-05
  url: https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/chit-chat-money/the-state-of-the-cloud-in-8r7cCw5kEeL/
  description: The "Cloud" in its simplest form refers to servers with data stored on them and those servers can be accessed over the internet. Many companies like Amazon, Microsoft, and Alphabet lead this fast-growing industry. Listen in as Brett and Ryan ask questions about the cloud and what growth will look like over the next few years. Enjoy the show!

# 2022 podcasts

- title: On ChatGPT with the Changelog
  slug: changelog-chatgpt
  tags: [Tech, AI]
  venues: Changelog
  date: 2022-12-09
  url: https://changelog.com/podcast/519
  description: To wrap up the year we’re talking about what’s breaking the internet, again. Yes, we’re talking about ChatGPT and we’re joined by our good friend Shawn “swyx” Wang. Between his writings on L-Space Diaries and his AI notes repo on GitHub, we had a lot to cover around the world of AI and what might be coming in 2023.
- title: Broad Swyx Interview with Infoshare Poland
  slug: infoshare-poland
  tags: [Tech]
  venues: Infoshare
  date: 2022-09-28
  url: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZnzzMbA7Vg&feature=emb_title
  description: A broad overview of everything I've been working on, including Temporal and Airbyte, Smart Clients vs Smart Servers, The Coding_Career Book, The Operating System of You, React Ecosystem, the case for Techno-Optimism in the face of cynicism.
- title: Real talk on DevRel with Devmode.fm
  slug: devmode-fm-devrel
  tags: [DevRel]
  venues: Devmode.FM
  date: 2022-08-29
  url: https://devmode.fm/episodes/advocating-for-devrels
  description: Back again with Andrew Welch and crew to talk the evolving meta of DevRel.
- title: The End of Localhost on InfoQ Podcast
  slug: infoq-localhost
  tags: [DevTools]
  venues: InfoQ
  date: 2022-08-29
  url: https://www.infoq.com/podcasts/localhost-end/
  description: Daniel Bryant interviewed me about my DXTips article on The End of Localhost! a really enjoyable tour through the post with commentary and reactions.
- title: How to Thought Lead, the Metacreator Ceiling, and Learning in Public on the Build in Public podcast
  slug: bip-thoughtlead
  tags: [LearninPublic]
  venues: BuildInPublic
  date: 2022-08-11
  url: https://share.transistor.fm/s/398dc0ca
  video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oTmQhagN4k&feature=youtu.be
  description: KP is the Build in Public guy and invited me on his pod to talk about LIP, but we sidetracked to talk about devrel, the content metagame, and my upcoming post on How to Thought Lead.
- title: Talking DX on Syntax.fm
  slug: syntax-dx
  tags: [DevRel]
  venues: Syntax.fm
  date: 2022-07-01
  url: https://syntax.fm/show/478/supper-club-developer-experience-with-shawn-wang
  description: Syntax.fm is one of the shows I really leaned on when learning the ropes in tech, so it was a huge honor to be invited.
- title: Talking Careers on Webjoy.fm
  slug: webjoy-careers
  tags: [Careers]
  venues: Webjoy.fm
  date: 2022-06-22
  url: https://webjoy.fm/episode/season-1-episode-4-creating-something-from-nothing-shawn-swyx
  description: We discuss what the career path for a developer advocate might look like, as well as podcast listening tools Listen Notes and Listenbox and how they help allow people to look up and listen to podcasts on their own terms rather than being stuck in a corporate garden.
- title: AWS, Cloudflare, and Techbro Therapy on AWS.fm
  slug: aws-techbros
  tags: [Creators]
  venues: AWS.fm
  date: 2022-06-21
  url: https://aws.fm/episodes/episode-25-shawn-swyx-wang
  description: Shawn joins Adam to discuss Amplify and its place in the developer ecosystem, whether we should care about Cloudflare, yet, and how to cope with the anxiety that can come with being extremely online. Also, it sounds like Adam is a tech bro and he's NOT happy about it.
- title: Learning in Public on Screaming in The Cloud
  slug: lip-screaming
  tags: [LearninPublic]
  venues: ScreamingInTheCloud
  date: 2022-06-10
  url: https://www.lastweekinaws.com/podcast/screaming-in-the-cloud/learning-in-public-with-swyx/
  description: Corey Quinn is one of my favorite cloud/creators/podcasters/writers/comedians and I was honored to be invited on his pod!
- title: The Third Year of the Third Age of JS on JSParty
  slug: jsparty-third-age
  tags: [JS]
  venues: JSParty
  date: 2022-05-20
  url: https://changelog.com/jsparty/226
  description: I joined JSParty crew to talk more about the Third Age of JS after my Reactathon talk!
- title: Angel Investing your Time on Educative
  slug: investing-educative
  tags: [Careers]
  venues: Educative.io
  date: 2022-05-02
  url: https://www.podbean.com/media/share/pb-n2ntb-1208ead
  url2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqAGxYWgYZk
  description: I joined Lee Ngo a second time to talk about tech strategy and angel investing!
- title: Linking your Microservices with Workflows on Purrfect.dev
  slug: temporal-purrfect-2
  tags: [Temporal]
  venues: Purrfect.dev
  date: 2022-04-19
  url: https://codingcat.dev/podcast/2-21-linking-your-microservices-with-workflows
  description: I joined Brittney and Alex again to talk about Temporal and Self Provisioning Runtimes!
- title: Part Time Creators on Compressed.fm
  slug: part-time-creators-compressed
  tags: [Creators]
  venues: Compressed.fm
  date: 2022-04-14
  url: https://www.compressed.fm/episode/64
  description: I joined Amy and James to talk about the Part Time Creator Manifesto!
- title: Career + Luck on Metamuse
  slug: career-luck-metamuse
  tags: [Career, LIP]
  venues: Metamuse
  date: 2022-03-30
  url: https://museapp.com/podcast/53-career/
  description: I joined Adam and Mark who are one of the most thoughtful podcasters to talk about Learning in Public!
- title: Crossing the Chasm with Richard Feldman
  slug: crossing-chasm-feldman
  tags: [DevRel]
  venues: Software Unscripted
  date: 2022-03-25
  url: https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/software-unscripted/crossing-the-chasm-1-dDJwWER37/
  description: Richard and Shawn Wang discuss how technologies "cross the chasm" from early adopters to mainstream
- title: Talking Temporal on Purrfect.Dev
  slug: temporal-purrfect
  tags: [Temporal]
  venues: Purrfect
  date: 2022-03-04
  url: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0P-Uod19NY
  description: I joined Brittney and Alex for the second time, this time to talk about Temporal instead of Svelte!
- title: Talking Svelte on Purrfect.Dev
  slug: svelte-purrfect
  tags: [Temporal]
  venues: Purrfect
  date: 2021-03-04
  url: https://codingcat.dev/podcast/1-15-whats-up-with-svelte
  description: I joined Brittney and Alex to talk Svelte and SvelteKit
- title: The radiating circles in DevX with Swyx
  slug: radiating-devx-pod
  tags: [DX, DevRel]
  venues: DevXPod
  date: 2022-02-15
  url: https://devxpod.buzzsprout.com/1895030/10012425-the-radiating-circles-in-devx-with-swyx-head-of-developer-experience-temporal
  description: i joined Pauline and Mike to give my updated thoughts on what great developer experience is!
- title: Self Provisioning Runtimes and Temporal on Serverless Chats
  slug: sls-chats-self-provisioning
  tags: [Temporal, Serverless]
  venues: ServerlessChats
  date: 2022-02-14
  url: https://www.serverlesschats.com/124/
  description: Talking workflow engines and my Self Provisioning Runtimes essay with Jeremy Daly, who is the GM for Serverless Cloud which is one of the best examples of SPRs 
- title: Learning in Public on DevDiscuss
  slug: devdiscuss-lip
  tags: [LIP]
  venues: DevDiscuss
  date: 2022-02-09
  url: https://dev.to/devteam/devdiscuss-is-back-for-season-8-4knb
  description: Chatting LIP with Gift Egwenu, Ben Halpern, and Ridhwana!
- title: Developer Health Space - Courage and Vulnerability with Swyx
  slug: g2i-pod
  tags: [LIP]
  venues: G2i
  date: 2022-01-26
  url: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Qdj8CK7GOk
  description: This week, Shawn "Swyx" Wang, Head of Developer Experience at Temporal, joins us to discuss the value of courage and vulnerability for software developers.
- title: Temporal as React for the backend on JSParty
  slug: jsparty-pod
  tags: [Temporal]
  venues: JSParty
  date: 2022-01-06
  url: https://changelog.com/jsparty/208
  description: Swyx is known for learning in public, and he joins the party to teach Ali and Nick about what he’s been working on with Temporal IO, what it is, and why he’s excited about it. 
- title: Developer Careers on Cloudcast
  slug: cloudcast-pod
  tags: [Temporal, Careers]
  venues: Cloudcast
  date: 2022-01-12
  url: https://www.thecloudcast.net/2022/01/2022-look-ahead-developer-careers.html
  description: Shawn Wang (@swyx, Head of Developer Experience @Temporalio) talks about the breadth of developer skills needed, how developers learn new technologies, and insights into important future trends for a broad set of developers. 

  # 2021 podcasts
- title: Dev Community on SourceGraph podcast
  slug: sourcegraph-pod
  tags: [Community]
  venues: SourceGraph
  date: 2021-12-14
  url: https://about.sourcegraph.com/podcast/swyx/
  description: Why is building a technical community the most effective moat out there for startups? In this episode, swyx, who runs DevRel at Temporal and co-founded the Svelte Society, joins Beyang Liu, co-founder and CTO of Sourcegraph, to discuss the stress-induced heart palpitations that led him to transition from finance to tech, show how you can harness a willingness to look stupid to become a standout member of your community, and explain why every book should come with a Discord. Along the way, swyx shares some of the ways learning in public has changed his life, including how one blog post earned two job offers.
- title: LIP and Temporal on MongoDB podcast
  slug: mongodb-pod
  tags: [Temporal]
  venues: MongoDB
  date: 2021-12-06
  url: https://mongodb.libsyn.com/ep-93-swyx-learn-in-public-and-temporal
  description: I chatted about "The Coding Career Handbook" and Temporal.
- title: Connecting the dots in public on the Changelog
  slug: changelog-pod
  tags: [LIP]
  venues: Changelog
  date: 2021-10-06
  url: https://changelog.com/podcast/467
  description: TToday we’re joined by Shawn “swyx” Wang, also known as just “swyx” — and we’re talking about his interesting path to becoming a software developer, what it means to “learn in public” and how he’s been able to leverage that process to not only level up his skills and knowlege, but to also rapidly advance his career.
- title: How to Market Yourself with Shawn “Swyx” Wang
  slug: uibreakfast-pod
  tags: [Marketing]
  venues: UIBreakfast
  date: 2021-10-06
  url: https://uibreakfast.com/223-how-to-market-yourself-with-shawn-swyx-wang/
  description: Today we talk about marketing yourself, both as a personal brand and at work. Our guest is Shawn “Swyx” Wang, an engineering thought leader and author of “The Coding Career Handbook.” You’ll learn several components of defining your brand, tips on expressing that brand in public, collateral and strategies that will help you at work, and more.
- title: Learning in Public with SWYX on Thunder Nerds
  slug: thundernerds-pod
  tags: [LIP]
  venues: ThunderNerds
  date: 2021-10-03
  url: https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/thunder-nerds/287-learning-in-public-with-Y4yNEbFi8Kh/
  tweet: https://twitter.com/thundernerds/status/1444725115766415364?s=20
  description: Today, we're thrilled to have Shawn as a guest on our podcast to discuss the past, present, and future state of JavaScript as well as the world of developer ergonomics and the magical possibilities of effortless platform management.
- title: Third Age of JS on WorkingCode
  slug: workingcode-pod
  tags: [JavaScript]
  venues: WorkingCode
  date: 2021-09-22
  url: https://www.bennadel.com/blog/4120-working-code-podcast-episode-041-the-third-age-of-javascript-with-shawn-swyx-wang.htm
  tweet: https://twitter.com/bennadel/status/1440657316441776135?s=21
  description: Today, we're thrilled to have Shawn as a guest on our podcast to discuss the past, present, and future state of JavaScript as well as the world of developer ergonomics and the magical possibilities of effortless platform management.
- title: Temporal on DevtoolsFM
  slug: devtoolsfm-pod
  tags: [Temporal]
  venues: DevTools
  date: 2021-09-10
  url: https://devtools.fm/episode/13
  description: Join us as we chat with Shawn Wang who's Head of Developer Experience at Temporal and a staunch advocate of learning in public.
- title: How to make your own luck on the Scrimba podcast
  slug: scrimba-pod-luck
  tags: [Luck]
  venues: Scrimba
  date: 2021-05-25
  url: https://scrimba.com/podcast/swyx-coding-career-handbook/
  description: Shawn (Swyx) Wang joins us to discuss his book, The Coding Career Handbook 📖!
- title: Swyx on DevJourney with Tim Bourgignon
  slug: devjourney-pod
  tags: [LIP]
  venues: DevJourney
  date: 2021-05-25
  url: https://devjourney.info/Guests/152-ShawnWang.html
  description: Shawn took us along on his transition from his very well-paid trading job to his career as a developer. We talked about re-using your skills, boot camps, the power of networks, LearnInPublic, motivation, and much more.
- title: How to Market Yourself (without Being a Celebrity)
  slug: market-yourself-pod
  tags: [LIP]
  venues: DataTalksClub
  date: 2021-05-14
  url: https://datatalks.club/podcast/s03e07-market-yourself.html
  description: Discussing personal branding and developer marketing with LearnInPublic.
- title: Side Projects on the Modern Web Podcast
  slug: side-projects-modern-web-pod
  tags: [LIP]
  venues: ModernWeb
  date: 2021-04-21
  url: https://modernweb.podbean.com/e/s08e09-modern-web-podcast-sides-projects-with-shawn-wang/
  description: In this episode, Lindsay Wardell and Hunter Miller talk side projects with Shawn Wang. We discuss the projects they do on the side, and what kind of side projects they enjoy working on. Shawn also talks about his book, "The Coding Career Handbook", and how it started as a side project as well. We also talk about the importance of writing your own blog posts, and sharing your experience and learning in public to help both yourself and others, rather than blogging for numbers. We wrap up with a discussion on being a part-time creator, and finding a company that supports their employees and match what you're looking to do.
- title: Learning in Public on Developer Love
  slug: dev-love-podcast
  tags: [LIP]
  venues: DeveloperLove
  date: 2021-03-11
  url: https://www.heavybit.com/library/podcasts/developer-love/ep-15-learning-in-public-with-shawn-swyx-wang/
  description: In episode 15 of Developer Love, Patrick speaks with Shawn “Swyx” Wang of Temporal. They discuss divorcing your identity from your work, transparency in developer marketing, and the merits of learning in public.
- title: Svelte on PodRocket
  slug: podrocket-2
  tags: [Svelte]
  venues: Podrocket
  date: 2021-07-16
  url: https://podrocket.logrocket.com/svelte
  description: Curious about all of the hype around Svelte? Swyx joins us on this episode of PodRocket to talk about Svelte and all of the work he has been doing at Svelte Society.
- title: Devrel and Dev Community on PodRocket
  slug: podrocket-1
  tags: [Devrel]
  venues: Podrocket
  date: 2021-03-09
  url: https://podrocket.logrocket.com/swyx
  description: Ben and Brian talk to Shawn Wang, better known as Swyx, about infinite building, his experience as a Reddit moderator, blogging platforms, scaling developer relations, and more.
- title: Clubhouse chat - Growing Digital Gardens w/ Maggie Appleton
  slug: digital-gardens-maggie
  tags: [DigitalGardens]
  venues: Swyx YouTube
  date: 2021-02-13
  url: https://share.transistor.fm/s/41a6f89a
  description: Maggie and I hosted a Clubhouse chat on Digital Gardens and here is the recording! Later joined by Nikita Voloboev and other listeners. 
- title: How to Launch Your Product and Sustain Revenue - with Ryan Chenkie's Entrepreneurial Coders Podcast
  slug: ecoder-book
  tags: [Creators]
  venues: EntrepreneurialCoder
  date: 2021-02-11
  url: https://share.transistor.fm/s/1cfa55cb
  description: Shawn Wang (aka swyx) chats about his experience writing and publishing his book, The Coding Career Handbook. He goes into detail about the challenges he encountered, how he learned from other people's launches, and how he was able to successfully launch the book and make it into something that provides meaningful revenue. He also talks about how to sustain revenue for your product after you launch.
- title: Amplify and DataStore - FSJam Podcast
  slug: amplify-fsjam
  tags: [AWS]
  venues: FSJam
  date: 2021-01-18
  url: https://fsjam.org/episodes/episode-12-amplify-and-datastore-with-shawn-swyx-wang
  description: In this episode we discuss Amplify, DataStore, the difference between teaching and learning in public, migrating existing projects to AWS, containers vs. serverless, and the endgame of layer 2 clouds.

# 2020 podcasts

- title: Learning in Public and the Coding Career Handbook - Developer Tea
  slug: developer-tea
  tags: [Careers]
  venues: Developer Tea
  date: 2020-12-07
  url: https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/developer-tea/learning-in-public-w-shawn-Q2S4e9qJDpu/
  description: I joined Jon Cuttrell's podcast to talk about the book and got to talk some strategy stuff I rarely talk about!
- title: The Coding Career Handbook on the React Podcast
  slug: react-podcast-2020
  tags: [Careers]
  venues: React Podcast
  date: 2020-10-15
  url: https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/react-podcast/114-shawn-swyx-wang-on-the-8flz1q2hHM4/
  description: swyx and Chantastic talk the state of React and the Coding Career Handbook.
- title: The Coding Career Handbook on the Coder Foundry YouTube
  slug: coder-foundry
  tags: [Careers]
  venues: Coder Foundry
  date: 2020-11-19
  url: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTtb2NF8Gds
  description: I was invited by the Coder Foundry guys to chat about learning in public, what it means to be a senior developer, why you should care where your code fits into the business, and why writing as a developer is so important.
- title: Trading Derivatives with VBA, No Code, JavaScript, Negotiation, and DevRel on the KeyCuts podcast
  slug: keycuts-podcast
  tags: [Careers]
  venues: KeyCuts
  date: 2020-11-16
  url: https://www.thekeycuts.com/dear-analyst-50-walking-through-a-vba-script-for-trading-billions-of-dollars-worth-of-derivatives-with-shawn-wang/
  description: This is a different beat than my usual - it focuses on my Finance career where I traded interest rate derivatives with Excel and VBA! The show notes are really good too.
- title: What's New in React on React Roundup
  slug: reactroundup-podcast-2
  tags: [React]
  venues: React Roundup
  date: 2020-11-11
  url: https://devchat.tv/react-round-up/rru-124-whats-new-in-react-with-shawn-wang/
  description: In this episode of React Round Up, we talked with Shawn Wang, a prolific React author, speaker and teacher, about the future of React. We discussed what’s new in React Core, the React routing world, React DevTools (webpack, rollup, parcel, etc), CSS, and a whole lot more.
- title: The Coding Career Handbook on React Podcast
  slug: coding-career-react-podcast
  tags: [Careers]
  venues: React Podcast
  date: 2020-10-15
  url: https://reactpodcast.com/episodes/114/
  description: Shawn Swyx Wang opens up about his new book The Coding Career Handbook - His book shines a spotlight on career patterns and practices that many had to learn the hard way — you know, up hill in the snow both ways!
- title: SWYX on Shoptalk Show Podcast
  slug: coding-career-shoptalk-show
  tags: [Careers]
  venues: Shoptalk Show Podcast
  date: 2020-09-28
  url: https://shoptalkshow.com/432/
  description: Shawn Wang, known as Swyx, talks with Dave and Chris about his career path from finance to coding, and now in developer experience. They chat about serverless functions, React, getting a broad sense of technology, Wang's Coding Career Handbook, what's next for SSR, checking out Vite, and what exactly is DevX / developer experience?
- title: Coding Career Tactics on ML Engineered Podcast
  slug: coding-career-mle-podcast-2
  tags: [Careers]
  venues: ML Engineered Podcast
  date: 2020-09-09
  url: https://www.mlengineered.com/episode/swyx2
  description: I returned to the MLE podcast to continue our conversation. Charlie is one of the best interviewers I have ever worked with and it was a pleasure to join him again.
- title: Coding Career Strategy on ML Engineered Podcast
  slug: coding-career-mle-podcast
  tags: [Careers]
  venues: ML Engineered Podcast
  date: 2020-09-09
  url: https://www.mlengineered.com/episode/swyx
  description: Shawn Wang formerly worked in finance as a derivatives trader and equity analyst before burning out and pivoting towards tech. He's a prolific blogger who goes under the pseudonym "swyx" and recently published the excellent Coding Career Handbook. He's a graduate of Free Code Camp and Full Stack Academy now working at AWS as a Senior Developer Advocate.
- title: Coding Careers on the Junior to Senior Podcast
  slug: jr-to-sr-podcast
  tags: [Careers]
  venues: JrToSr
  date: 2020-08-03
  url: https://juniortosenior.io/3
  description: I spoke with David Guttman, who does a lot of mentoring and runs the AMAZING JS.LA community, on the Coding Career Handbook.
- title: Open Knowledge on Maintainers Anonymous Podcast
  slug: open-knowledge-maintainers-anonymous
  tags: [Careers]
  venues: Maintainers Anonymous Podcast
  date: 2020-06-15
  url: https://maintainersanonymous.com/open-knowledge/
  description: What does it mean to be code adjacent? Shawn Wang joins Henry to chat about not just open code but open thinking with his experience in community managing, the idea of tumbling, moderating /r/reactjs, starting the Svelete Society meetup, documenting and learning in public, being historians of our field, fresh notes vs. awesome lists, the meta language, and adoption curves. (recorded in June) (54 min)
- title: The Coding Career Handbook on Zhia Chong YouTube
  slug: coding-career-zhia-chong
  tags: [Careers]
  venues: Zhia Chong
  date: 2020-08-20
  url: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flaAZQ3meQI
  description: A quick interview on Zhia Chong's YouTube channel!
- title: Svelte Radio Episodes
  slug: svelte-radio
  tags: [Svelte]
  venues: SvelteRadio
  date: 2020-05-12
  url: https://anchor.fm/svelteradio/
  description: I joined the Svelte Radio podcast together with Antony and Kev from Svelte Society.
- title: Software Sessions Podcast - Learning in Public
  slug: software-sessions-podcast
  tags: [Careers]
  venues: SoftwareSessions
  date: 2020-06-17
  github: https://gist.github.com/swyxio/02c28094f7d898554deee1ba7f96a502
  url: https://www.softwaresessions.com/episodes/learning-in-public/
  url2: https://media.transistor.fm/b2abc441.mp3
  description: I chatted with Jeremy Jung, host on Software Engineering Radio and now Software Sessions, about Learn in Public and the Coding Career Handbook!
- title: Dev Career Advice for the Coronavirus Recession
  slug: recession-prep-tanay
  tags: [Careers]
  venues: TanayPratap
  date: 2020-05-09
  url: https://open.spotify.com/episode/1oj0Kpnt8xzk2vCBm6t3LE
  description: I chatted with Tanay Pratap about what new entrants to software engineering in India can do given the Coronavirus Recession
- title: Marketing Yourself and Mentoring as a Developer on Egghead Podcast
  slug: egghead-podcast-2
  tags: [Careers]
  venues: Egghead
  date: 2020-03-03
  url: https://egghead.io/podcasts/shawn-wang-talks-about-how-to-grow-your-reputation-as-a-developer?af=95qfq1
  desc: Chatting about marketing yourself and mentoring as a developer
  description: Joel invited me back to speak on the Egghead podcast about Marketing and Mentoring
- title: Svelte and Community on JAMStack Radio
  slug: jamstack-radio-svelte
  tags: [Svelte]
  venues: JamsackRadio
  date: 2020-02-26
  url: https://www.heavybit.com/library/podcasts/jamstack-radio/ep-51-community-over-code-with-shawn-wang-of-netlify/
  desc: A 30 min chat about Svelte, Netlify, and Coding Communities, with Brian Douglas on his podcast. Brian was previously the only Devrel at Netlify so there is some ancestry going on here!
  description: In episode 51 of JAMstack Radio, Brian joins Shawn Wang to discuss his role as a developer experience engineer at Netlify, the open-source JavaScript framework Svelte, and scaling community above code.
- title: Marketing Yourself - ProdReady Podcast
  slug: codingcareer-prodready
  tags: [Careers]
  venues: ProdReadyPodcast
  date: 2020-07-07
  url: https://www.productionreadypod.com/episodes/marketing-yourself-your-products-by-learning-in-public-w-shawn-wang
  description: Hot off the launch of his new book, Shawn sits down to talk with me about personal marketing via working in public. We go into detail about how he wrote a book with the most insane bibliography you've ever seen and made $25,000 on launch day.
  notes: 'I chatted with Glenn Stovall twice - the audio was lost the first time 😂 This is maybe the 3rd podcast I got purely from the Marketing Yourself essay so this is really great.'
- title: Coding Careers - AQOC Podcast
  slug: codingcareer-aqoc
  tags: [Careers]
  venues: AQOCPodcast
  date: 2020-07-13
  url: https://aquestionofcode.com/71-how-should-developers-market-themselves-shawn-wang/
  desc: Charming chat with 2 british brothers! 1 experienced engineer and 1 just changing careers and learning to code
  description: This week we're joined by Shawn Wang, Senior Developer Advocate at AWS and author of the excellent Coding Career Handbook. Shawn is a career-switcher; he transitioned into tech in his early thirties after a career in finance. He has written a lot about how aspiring devs can better accelerate their careers, and his views are nuanced and full of wisdom that's very relevant to all aQoC listeners (no matter what stage you're at in your career).
- title: Coding Career Handbook - Newline Podcast
  slug: codingcareer-newline
  tags: [Careers]
  venues: NewLinePodcast
  date: 2020-07-18
  url: https://podcast.newline.co/episodes/cracking-the-coding-career-with-shawn-wang
  desc: In this wide-ranging conversation we talk about the differences between a Jr and Sr engineers, how to find strength in your weaknesses, and how to capture your daily ideas and use them to supercharge your career.
  notes: "It was a dream to chat with Amelia Wattenberger on her new podcast. I've admired her work for a long time. I wish I had asked them more questions as they are experienced book authors, but then again, I was the guest. I love their backlog of questions as well."

# 2019 podcasts

- title: JAMstack panel on Devmode.fm
  slug: devmode-fm-jamstack-panel
  tags: [JAMstack]
  venues: Devmode.FM
  date: 2019-11-04
  url: https://devmode.fm/episodes/how-when-and-why-to-use-the-jamstack
  description: A panel discussion about JAMstack - In this episode, we have a roundtable discussion with a variety of experienced web developers who are at different stages of using the JAMstack, from not at all, to exploring/ experimenting, to using to deliver client projects to production.
- title: JAMstack & Serverless with Netlify (DevMode.fm Podcast)
  slug: devmode-fm-jamstack
  tags: [JAMstack]
  venues: Devmode.FM
  date: 2019-10-28
  url: https://devmode.fm/episodes/jamstack-serverless-with-netlify
  desc: My first appearance on Devmode.fm talking about jamstack
  description:
    'On this episode, we talk to Shawn “swyx” Wang from Netlify about the JAMstack & Serverless revolution in frontend development.

    We discuss what exactly Netlify is, and how you can leverage the Edge, Build, and Dev aspect of it to make your development process more enjoyable.

    We talk about the challenges of maintaining Author Experience (AX) in the age of static site generators, using Live Preview functions in a CMS or service to help out.

    We also talk about how JavaScript edge workers will gain sentience as Skynet, and the AI language model that was so dangerous they couldnt release it.'
- title: Swyx Mix - Learn In Public
  slug: ducktapes-podcast
  tags: [Learn In Public]
  venues: Ducktapes
  date: 2019-08-26
  url: https://anchor.fm/ducktapes/episodes/Swyx-Mix-e517kc
  desc: I had a lot of fun talking with John and Tiffany. they're a good crew! and passionate about music obviously.
  description: This week, Shawn "Swyx" Wang joins us in the Duck Pond to take a deep dive into his coding philosophy "Learning in Public." We take some time to discuss his role at Netlify, how he got started in coding (after a full career in a different industry!), and of course Jack White comes up.
- title: Leaving a $350K/year job to learn coding
  slug: freecodecamp-podcast
  tags: [Learn In Public]
  venues: FreeCodeCamp Podcast
  date: 2019-04-15
  github: https://gist.github.com/swyxio/f7b8ef5843475db994f05ae55f8cd464
  url: https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/shawn-wang-podcast-interview/
  desc: We talk about "learning in public" and his transition into tech from finance, where he left behind a job that paid him US $350,000 per year.
  description: the title overly focuses on the finance career, but this is much more about learn in public and the freecodecamp journey. plenty of links supplied!
- title: You Can Learn A Lot For The Low Price Of Your Ego
  slug: kentcdodds-podcast
  tags: [Learn In Public]
  venues: Kent C Dodds Podcast
  date: 2019-08-05
  url: https://kentcdodds.com/chats-with-kent-podcast/seasons/01/episodes/you-can-learn-a-lot-for-the-low-price-of-your-ego-with-shawn-wang
  desc: Shawn Wang talks about how learning in public was the single best thing he did for his career.
  description: You can learn in private, or you can learn in public. 99% of developers work and learn privately in the shadows, so why shouldn't you? Something magical happened when Shawn started creating resources and sharing what he learned in public. More advanced people began to help him by correcting him when he was wrong. By learning publically, he was able to both teach and learn at the same time!
  comments: This was actually recorded in March, I think, when I was in Tampa ahead of VueConf. I recall frantically driving back to do the recording and getting stuck in traffic and texting Kent that I would be late! I don't like driving so this was a high stress period.
- title: Be Wrong with Shawn Swyx Wang
  slug: react-podcast
  tags: [React]
  venues: React Podcast
  date: 2019-02-20
  url: https://reactpodcast.simplecast.fm/36
  desc: A disussion about strategies for being a lifelong learner in React.
  description: A disussion about strategies for being a lifelong learner, how to get started in React, the growth of React's API surface area, Hooks, Suspense, Concurrent Mode, designing APIs, and the future of React.
- title: The Suspense is Almost Over - React Podcast
  slug: react-podcast-suspense
  tags: [React]
  venues: React Podcast
  date: 2019-10-22
  url: https://reactpodcast.com/69
  desc: A Pre-ReactConf Concurrent React Rundown with Swyx
  description: "
    ## Links

    *   [STAR Apps: A New Generation of Front-End Tooling for Development Workflows](https://css-tricks.com/star-apps-a-new-generation-of-front-end-tooling-for-development-workflows/) on CSS-TRICKS
    *   [STAR Apps](https://www.swyx.io/speaking/star-apps-svcodecamp/) at SV Code Camp by Swyx
    *   [JAMStack](https://jamstack.org) — A modern architecture — Create fast and secure sites and dynamic apps with JavaScript, APIs, and prerendered Markup, served without web servers
    *   [Beyond React 16 | JSConf Iceland 2018](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLF0n9SACd4) Dan Abramov's introduction to Async React (eventually Concurrent React) at JSConf Iceland 2018
    *   [Fiber Reconciler](https://reactjs.org/docs/codebase-overview.html#fiber-reconciler) doc on reactjs.org
    *   [React Fiber Architecture](https://github.com/acdlite/react-fiber-architecture) — a gist by [Andrew Clark](https://twitter.com/dan_abramov)
    *   [A Cartoon Intro to Fiber](https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=ZCuYPiUIONs) — a talk by [Lin Clark](https://twitter.com/linclark?lang=en) at React Conf 2017
    *   [Dan's Tweet](https://twitter.com/dan_abramov/status/1184987041676845056) on ConcurrentMode and how it informs other React APIs
    *   [Building The New Facebook With React and Relay](https://conf.reactjs.org/event.html?frank) — an upcoming talk by [Frank Yan](https://twitter.com/frankyan) and [Ashley Watkins](https://twitter.com/catchingash) on Building The New Facebook With React and Relay
    *   [Building the New Facebook.com with React, GraphQL and Relay](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxPtYJRjLL0) — talk at F8 2019 about facebook.com v2
    *   [Relay](https://relay.dev) — A JavaScript framework for building data-driven React applications
    *   [Apollo Client](https://www.apollographql.com/docs/react/) — A complete state management library for JavaScript apps
    *   [URQL](https://formidable.com/open-source/urql/) — Universal React Query Library is a blazing-fast GraphQL client, exposed as a set of ReactJS components
    *   [Getting Closure on Hooks](https://www.swyx.io/speaking/react-hooks/) — Swyx demonstrating a simple mental model for hooks at JSConf.Asia 2019
    *   [[Umbrello]React Flare](https://github.com/facebook/react/issues/15257) — Github issue for tracking the React DOM implementation of the experimental React Events API
    *   [React Fire: Modernizing React DOM](https://github.com/facebook/react/issues/13525) — Github issue for tracking React DOM modernization
    *   [React Native for Web](https://github.com/necolas/react-native-web) — Run React Native components and APIs on the web using React DOM. A library by [Nicholas Gallagher](https://twitter.com/necolas)
    *   [Dominic Gannaway](https://twitter.com/trueadm) — React Core team member working on React Flare and React Fire
    *   [The Case for React Native Web Singularity](https://www.swyx.io/writing/react-native-web-singularity/) A post by Swyx on React Native for Web as a template for a future React developer experience
    *   [SVELTE](https://svelte.dev) — Cybernetically enhanced web apps
    *   [glimmer](https://glimmerjs.com) — Fast and light-weight UI components for the web With the attention to detail you've come to expect from Ember
    *   [All you need to know about Ivy, The new Angular engine!](https://blog.angularindepth.com/all-you-need-to-know-about-ivy-the-new-angular-engine-9cde471f42cf) — An article that seems to suggest it has everything you need to know about a thing I know nothing about"
- title: Learning React and TypeScript in Public
  slug: reactroundup-podcast
  tags: [Learn In Public]
  venues: React Roundup
  date: 2019-08-13
  url: https://reactroundup.com/75
  oldurl: https://devchat.tv/react-round-up/rru-074-learning-react-and-typescript-in-public-with-shawn-swyx-wang/
  desc: One of my better podcast discussions of Learn In Public. The sequence of how this one happened was pretty fun. I noticed an a11y fight on Twitter, and posted about it on the Netlify slack. then Leslie picked up the torch and [wrote a blogpost about it](https://www.netlify.com/blog/2019/02/25/accessibility-is-not-a-react-problem/). That got her invited onto the podcast and she became a panelist. And then she invited me. and now we're here.
  description: Today’s guest Shawn Wang is a career changer starts off the show about how he got from finance to programming. The panel talks about how they each got started in programming. Shawn explains his Learn In Public manifesto. They discuss the benefits of learning in public and how concepts like Cunninham’s Law and lampshading can be a good thing. Shawn talks about the differences between inbound and outbound marketing. The two biggest benefits of learning in public is that people will come to help you, it helps you to build capital, and it os the fastest way to learn. They discuss the balance between sharing too little and oversharing.
- title: No Code JAMstack with Shawn Wang
  slug: sedaily-nocode
  tags: [No Code]
  venues: SEDaily
  date: 2019-12-19
  url: https://softwareengineeringdaily.com/2019/12/19/no-code-with-shawn-wang/
  desc: We know that no-code tools can create value. But how do they fit into the overall workflow of a software company? How should teams be arranged now that knowledge workers can build certain kinds of software without writing code? And how should no-code systems interface with the monoliths, microservices, and APIs that we have building for years?
  description:
    "- [Podcast Link](https://softwareengineeringdaily.com/2019/12/19/no-code-with-shawn-wang/)
    - [Download Podcast](http://traffic.libsyn.com/sedaily/2019_12_19_SwyxLowCodeJAMStack.mp3)

    ## No Code

    - Why is no code interesting to Software Engineers?
    - Business opportunity
    - Developer productivity
    - Should no code users be worried about platform lockin?
    - Yes
    - We have to understand what the good abstractions are and where complexity overtakes convenience
    - Software Engineers have a unique advantage here
    - What duties should no code platforms fulfil? just UI layer? Shopify store? What are the borders?
    - Nothing definite yet
    - [Webflow Blogpost: No Code is a Lie](https://webflow.com/blog/no-code-is-a-lie)
    - But everything can have a GUI layer - leading the API economy to transform into the GUI economy
    - Even the Vue ecosystem has added a [UI on top of their CLI](https://cli.vuejs.org/dev-guide/ui-api.html)
    - State machines in UI Development - [David Khourshid at React Rally](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU1NKX6Qkxc)
    - visual IDEs are winning over text editors
    - [Bret Victor - the Future of Programming](https://vimeo.com/71278954)
    - **EDIT: THINGS I FORGOT TO MENTION**
    - Shopify and Wordpress are basically No Code platforms on top of Rails and PHP
    - there is also a trend of big platforms implementing internal no-code solutions:
    - [Slack Workflow Builder](https://slack.com/intl/en-sg/help/articles/360035692513-Guide-to-Workflow-Builder)
    - [Asana No Code solution](https://webflow.com/nocodeconf/session/making-automation-feel-more-human)
    - [Salesforce No Code](https://webflow.com/nocodeconf/session/progressive-enhancement-a-mindset-for-designing-no-code-platforms)
    - [iOS Shortcuts was an acquisition](https://thesweetsetup.com/ios-shortcuts-guide/)
    - What is available in the GUI economy?
    - CSS
    - CMS
    - Ecommerce
    - PaaS
    - As developers, we use no code tools in our daily work
    - Nobody wants to use Passport.js anymore, we rather farm it out to Okta and Auth0

    ## JAMstack

    - What is the JAMstack?
    - [Jamstack Conf](https://jamstackconf.com/)
    - [Jamstack.org](http://jamstack.org/)
    - [GitHub Pages](https://pages.github.com/)
    - How do you compare JAMstack to No Code?
    - Very comparable - JAMstack is 'No Code backend' - serves frontend developers
    - But there are more people who just aren't developers at all
    - Non developers need a bit more handholding - frontend devs can at least help debug
    - JAMstack vs No Code is similar to Figma vs Canva
    - What code are you writing in the JAMstack?
    - Frontend + Glue code
    - In a No Code stack, you have to find your own frontend
    - heavily overlapping paradigms
    - Can go from No Code to JAMstack often, but not other way round
    - Are enterprises building JAMstack applications?
    - Sites:
    - [Citrix's migration story](https://www.netlify.com/blog/2019/06/12/jamstack_conf-nyc-session-recap-citrix-delivers-better-ux-with-less-overhead-using-jamstack-and-netlify/)
    - [Trinet on Netlify](https://is-this.netlify.com/trinet.com)
    - Ecommerce:
    - [Loblaw's migration story](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VGu4PvEBag)
    - [Popeye's migration story](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKBDUhGi76o)
    - [Nike agency story](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rA_ucpQ_Fk)
    - Apps:
    - Paypal - [Bringing JAMstack to the Enterprise](https://www.infoq.com/presentations/jamstack-enterprise/)
    - [FreeCodeCamp is built on Gatsby and Netlify](https://dev.to/ossia/how-freecodecamporg-uses-the-jamstack--a-single-api-server-to-help-millions-of-people-learn-to-code-every-month-4d5g)
    - JAMstack as the counterpart to serverless
    - Precompilation in the JAMstack - help me understand Gatsby
    - Gatsby < React < JS
    - Gatsby helps give a good default Webpack config for performance
    - Webpack allows modules, preprocessing of code and images etc
    - Having build steps has problems, but is a net benefit for users by shipping more optimal
    - Gatsby allows you to pull in data pipeline aka content mesh

    ## Code

    - React vs Vue
    - Vue easier to start with
    - React has more jobs
    - FB dogfoods React
    - React as a universal UI language
    - Tom Dale - [Compilers are the new Frameworks](https://tomdale.net/2017/09/compilers-are-the-new-frameworks/)
    - Difference between SSR and Compiling
    - SSR generates HTML
    - Compiling framework runtime/footprint
    - React is trying to help optimize overall app footprint

    ## Career

    - Learning in Public
    - Essay https://www.swyx.io/writing/learn-in-public/
    - Talk https://www.swyx.io/speaking/learn-in-public-nyc
    - The Internet rewards spiky people
    - [DHH Apple Card story](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-09/viral-tweet-about-apple-card-leads-to-probe-into-goldman-sachs)
    - [Sophie Alpert $600 story](https://twitter.com/sophiebits/status/1193686558206877696?lang=en)
    - [David Perell: Naked Brands](https://www.perell.com/blog/the-future-of-finance)
    - [React TypeScript Cheatsheet](https://github.com/typescript-cheatsheets/react-typescript-cheatsheet)
    "
- title: Work in Progress Podcast
  slug: wip-podcast
  tags: [Learn In Public]
  venues: Podcast
  date: 2019-09-15
  url: http://wipp.buzzsprout.com/397696/1708216-wipp-002-shawn-wang-from-finance-to-tech
  desc: A 90 minute chat about my career change with Dana and Angela! It was an honor to be one of the first batch of interviews for a new podcast.
  description: In this episode of our podcast we interview Shawn (@swyx) who made the leap from finance to tech. What started as a career reflection combined with burnout prompted him to seek a different path.

# todo
# link up freecodecamp-podcast
# back up https://reactpodcast.com/69

# 2017-2018 podcasts
- title: Infinite Building
  slug: egghead-podcast
  tags: [Advice]
  venues: Egghead
  date: 2018-08-15
  url: https://egghead.io/podcasts/swyx-shawn-wang-on-infinite-building?af=95qfq1
  desc: Chatting about Infinite Learning vs Building, JS fatigue, and Impostor Syndrome
  description: Tune in to hear Shawn talk about what it means to be an infinite learner and builder and how he uses this approach to further his career.
- title: Productivity in Tech
  slug: productivity-in-tech-podcast
  tags: [React]
  venues: Productivity in Tech
  date: 2017-11-13
  url: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/kevin-miller/productivity-in-tech-podcast/e/52208723?autoplay=true
  desc: Perhaps my first ever guest appearance on a podcast - talking about career change and my bootcamp experience.
  description: In this conversation, we talk about Shawn's experience as a code school student and learn more about this growing source of alternative education.
- title: State of JS with Sacha Greif (SEDaily)
  slug: software-daily-sacha-greif
  tags: [JS]
  venues: SEDaily
  date: 2017-08-09
  url: https://softwareengineeringdaily.com/2017/08/09/state-of-javascript-with-sacha-greif/
  desc: My first time GUEST HOSTING a podcast - SE Daily - and reaching out to Sacha was nervewracking!
  description: Sacha Greif is an independent designer and developer most prominent in his roles as co-author of Discover Meteor and community builder at Sidebar.io, a design newsletter with over 35,000 subscribers, and Hacker News Kansai. He is currently best known in the Javascript community as the maintainer of VulcanJS, and for his annual State of Javascript survey which is now open for 2017. In this episode, Shawn Wang guests hosts a discussion about both projects and Sacha’s thoughts on independent web design and development.